16 / 11 / 02 – 15 / 12 / 02
Exhibition / Films / Talks / Performance
Interview with Rashid Masharawi
Fareed Armaly (2002)
Documenta11 invited me last year to consider again my 1999 project From/To that “charted out a contemporary topos: Palestine”. This provided a frame to consider the conversion of my earlier, more research based, textual works onto “scripts”, as performative, spatial narratives. Those earlier projects focused on the importance of modelling cultural representations in terms of an identity politics. My perspective is of a first-generation American born of Palestinian and Lebanese emigrants, which means a contemporary logic that would be able to join with music journals or exhibitions on the institutionalizing of orientalist discourse. The notion of ‘identity’ was mapped out in terms of passages along a fault line between idealist or essentialist positions, (most evident when contemporary cultural institutions are imagined and then realized in society) where I remain invested in a constellation of changing correspondences, whose potential is inherent to the space of the diasporic projection. As Stuart Hall notes, the possibility in diasporic passages is when ‘roots are becoming routes’, not one-way passages anchored to a nostalgia.
I felt that for the conditions of 2002 and in Documenta11 From/To should be more prominently focused on a dialog, and in particular with a participant who had supported the first 1999 project outline and the sense of ‘scripting’, and so I extended my invitation to include at a collaborative level, Ramallah-based filmmaker Rashid Masharawi (b.1962, Shati Refugee Camp). Masharawi’s discourse joins filmmaking with founding cultural institutions in Ramallah – the Cinema Production Center, and the Mobile Cinema for refugee camps. While his features (Curfew, Haifa) and documentaries (Live From Palestine) have received awards and critical recognition, Masharawi sees their value in reinforcing his situation, being the only Palestinian feature maker to remain in the past decades, living and producing within the Occupied Territories. His work portrays both his knowledge of living under Israeli Occupation in refugee camps and his constant reflection on cinema narrative. The scripts offer the most economic of storylines yet with relations plotted out in complex diagrams created by their reflections off of the hard limits of actual confinement.
Along with From/To, Masharawi’s work is featured in the Documenta11 cinema program with Live From Palestine, Tension and his latest feature, A Ticket to Jerusalem, whose world premiere was in Kassel on June 14th.
FAREED ARMALY: Your work in Ramallah joins together the issues of cinema, both documentary and features but as well the production and reception, as you founded an overall cultural space, the Cinema Production Center and Mobile Cinema for refugee camps. What were your intentions?
RASHID MASHARAWI: I considered if I should live abroad when I had the possibility after the success of my first features, to be closer to cities where production companies could support me, and television always needs Arabic coordinators. I decided I had to remain within Palestine. But I didn’t want to be in a desert. I need an environment in order to make films, to have other filmmakers around, to hear music, see exhibitions, and have a more active relation to cinema and culture. To establish this, I thought that we here must have the possibility to see and make films. To make films, there are a few filmmakers known internationally who live abroad, so I established workshops, training, to create the ground to produce films in the future with the Cinema Production Center.The CPC is well known and active in Ramallah, a production center that has a gallery, a hall for artists to meet. I felt this can at least help keep those people who can study cinema outside and come back, so they have an address, and don’t just leave and go back to those countries. They can discuss, watch as well as try to make films. If they have no immediate possibility then they can be involved at different levels. The Mobile Cinema shows films in different refugee camps, where there are no cinemas. We began with two 16mm projectors showing in cultural and sports centers, schools, and today we even have one 35mm projector. Once a year we hold a children’s film festival from four different cities, the last time total attendance was 90,000. So I have established those because first I want to stay there, and secondly I love cinema and this is what keeps the desire to make films there, not because of establishing a Palestinian State and that we will all need a cinema.
FA: We have discussed often on how formative childhood years are in terms of displacement, and memory – could you describe the sense of culture in a refugee camp life which your films portray?
RM: Childhood is important for any person, something that perhaps may later be missed – but what can I miss of a refugee camp? The Israeli occupation? Those houses? The difference between my generation and our parents, is that they missed Jaffa, real houses, real gardens. Many people from other cities use to come to Jaffa to have holiday, to shop, to go to a café, my father used to go to the cinemas. They came from this childhood, so they missed this. But in my generation, what we miss is not ours - it can just be what the UN gave us. In Jaffa, they could choose, the life, the way, the style, the colors of the clothes, the haircut, the food, to change schools. In the refugee camp, we chose nothing, - I used to wear the clothes that the UN gave us, and study in their school, and eat the food that they gave us monthly. When I miss my mother’s food, it is not her food, because my mother was able to cook, but in the camp she only had those ingredients that she got as UN assistance. We are speaking here about culture - food, school, or architecture of the houses - the camps produce a culture which is not our culture. And it is that which is seen in all the media images, which someone takes to say “they are the Palestinians”. But that is not us – what you see is the political situation that put us into that culture.
FA: There is a significant difference between picking up a camera and deciding to film in the mid 80s in the Occupied Territories and doing that now, how did you see this then?
RM: In the 1980s, if someone from my friends of the neighborhood asked me what I was doing, I was telling my day job for earning money, not to make films. Because they would just say “you want to make films? We are here under military law! You are crazy to even say it”. Everyone was afraid of Israel then, and films are pictures, which means “political activity”. Filming is not allowed. For sure, if you want something you will manage, but even if I discover it could be possible in some ways, the others around are nervous about that. Because the law was still the Israeli soldier on the street, they can take you, put you in jail, and you are not allowed to ask why. They can forget you inside. But I also discovered early the power of the moving image, and telling about our situation by art, not violence or shootings, but in this language I can tell my story - our story. In this media, it will bring us somewhere.
FA In many discussions about diasporic or refugee identity, the desire for a sense of continuity often flattens out the significance in the differences between each generation, which is also true particularly regarding refugee camps.
RM: Yes -between my generation and the one following, we have two different realities. As children we wanted space so we used to play by running across the roofs of the neighborhood, catching glimpses into the courtyards, scenes of life within. Today they have vhs at home and can go to the internet at least at the cultural center. When I was 5, I was affected by the 1967 war. A generation who is 5 in say,1987, is affected by the beginning of the Intifada – and now grown up, they are perhaps working in the security forces, or even guarding Arafat. In my generation, if you were caught with a picture of Arafat by the Israeli Soldiers, the house would be destroyed. I was beaten at 15 by Israeli Soldiers because they asked if I knew Arafat - it is impossible any Palestinian in the refugee camps doesn’t know who Arafat is! So while my generation may also be working in the PA now, we are having the first experience of this idea of refugee camps, UN schools, receving clothes. For the next generation in the Intifada, the refugee culture is different, transforming, the inhabitants now have to expand, they try to add on their spaces, try to buy things, and as best they can go for a normal life.
FA: Your feature films Curfew and Haifa, show that life in the refugee camps, with strong key roles for women characters. How do you see these two films in respect of your scripting the roles?
RM:Curfew is based on the fact I was many times under curfew in my life, and in curfew women unlike men remain active because they can get out. The Israeli Army allow women to get out every few days for buying food for the family. I was filming Curfew often outside during curfew by working alongside women, they served as lookouts to give me enough time to hide if they see any Army coming. My mother would help as well, often hiding the videotapes on her as she shopped, or under vegetables and fruit. But I just don’t have this feeling of split between men and women in Palestinian society. My family was never based on that macho, hero model for the men. I do think that the young men in our society have more freedom than the women. So I addressed this in Haifa through the girl-character who for sure did not exist in real life then. I was trying through her character to suggest to the audience the possibility to choose their own lives, to continue their studies, to marry someone they love and refuse arranged marriages, to try and make a strong example for girls in her age to be jealous and try to repeat her, to be like her. As well in Haifa, I reversed the expectations - this girl was related to the main family, and I was using her boyfriend to tell her story, not the other way around.
FA: In Haifa, like your other films the story is told through relations that over the course of the film may shift our expectations as to who is the main character. That "young-girl character" and her story are rendered into the focus while the title character Haifa serves more as the reason for the events to be connected. How was the character of "Haifa” developed?
RM: Haifa, the character of that film, is very clearly one I created. It isn’t common to find a refugee from Haifa in refugee camps in Palestine – they are refugees in other places in the world, in Beirut and so on. Not in Gaza, West Bank, or Jericho where the film’s camp existed. Haifa was a combination, facing what was happening now, carrying the past, looking to the future. I tried to make him a memory, driving nowhere all the time. That film was related to the Peace Process and myself as a refugee from Jaffa, which can be read as Haifa only set in this camp in Gaza. After this Peace Process agreement, it was the first time I felt I lost Jaffa. Even if I will stay all my life in the camp, I am standing on Jaffa ground in the camp because I’m a refugee with a problem, and we are working to solve this problem. We did not yet, but the problem still exists. But if we did not solve the problem, and suddenly the problem does not exist anymore, than how could we solve it? So when they make this Peace Process I feel like someone takes the ground – which is Jaffa – out from under my feet in the camp. I’m still in the air, on nowhere in the camp, and this connection between me and Jaffa - they cut it. It’s clear, any further agreement, they will not talk about Jaffa now, so it is clear that refugees will stay refugees, they will not move anywhere. They will change the title, not of the house, family or neighborhood, just it is not the Israeli Occupation, but Palestinian Authority, or State in the future. It’s not Jaffa.
FA: With A Ticket to Jerusalem the plot’s focus on an act of moving a large cinema projector from refugee camp to Jerusalem, for a projection to occur. But one can not help notice so much that is going on in the setting, the actual circumstances all around, the many checkpoints, bypass roads, tanks passing by, Israeli Soldiers unscripted, speaking to the character, the sidewalk in Jerusalem, all are intertwined in equal part to the actors. As you describe Haifa, there is a sense here that ‘main’ character may not be the projectionist, but the chronicle of the filmprojector as agency which allows different vantage points, fiction and real, drawn from your life, to intersect and come into presence slowly unfolding over time. So it seems your newest feature is a contemporary pilgramage?
RM:This new feature, A Ticket to Jerusalem, is a fiction in which I have personally many things to say about refugees abroad and here, about settlements, about cinema in Palestine. It can be seen like the difference between my other two full-length features, Curfew and Haifa. Curfew is a documentary situation which I made a feature film out of it, I copied a section of life to film and was trying to make it as precise as that piece of life is to me, so it has the dialog of that moment. In Haifa I have many things to say, so I wrote the dialog as what I want them to say. Now for A Ticket to Jerusalem, this reality that we are facing today in Palestine is much stronger than any fiction. We exist in the media everywhere, so audiences already have an image about us. I can not come with something now which is supposed to be also of now, and be out of contact with the reality that is existing to see on all the televisions in the world, every day. I chose to make a story which is happening in Palestine, and now during the second Intifada. The way of moving with the camera in a real location was deliberate to that scenario, and allows me to make the story I want to tell much stronger by how it joins with this actuality. With this film all the elements of its fiction I picked up from documentary form . The film refers to what I know - in the CPC, we do run the mobile cinema, we have difficulties to get out, the Israeli tanks are next to our office, I have difficulties to travel anywhere outside of Ramallah. I consider what interests me personally, dealing with cinema, the political situation now, dealing with Jerusalem, and through the cinema touch some of these subjects. It is evident I am speaking about the Palestinian refugees, and the settlements, Jerusalem and the Israeli occupation during making this film now, and in a very complicated situation I try to connect those things in what appears as a simple story.
Only when you are not really a refugee are you secure in your own place. Even if I change address to Ramallah I still feel I am a refugee. Also, many of the conditions continue – the films are relevant still. Now there is curfew again in Palestine, they announce it in over the p.a.just like in the film. What I have been trying to do, is make out of the Palestinian situation a cinema. I have something like fifteen films, between features and shorts, documentaries, and together I feel they can offer a mirror and document of the Palestinian life in the last twenty years, in the same time to try to make cinema.